Heilemann and Meacham, a friend of President Joe Biden, discuss Biden's buoyant mood after the midterms and how he'll determine whether he'll run again in 2024 Meacham's belief that Americans voted to support Democrats over Republicans in key swing states because they dislike having rights taken from them that the ability of Democrats to put democracy on the ballot was a key determinant in their favor how Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania's next governor, has become an an ascendant political star and why presidents and vice presidents never have close relationships.
In the aftermath of the Democratic Party's successful showing in last week's midterm elections, John Heilemann welcomes Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Jon Meacham, author of the recent presidential biography, And Then There Was Light: Abraham Lincoln and the American Struggle.
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